Curse

Achrr The Archer · Jun 25, 2009, 07:27 PM // 19:27

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Originally Posted by Ghost Omel

.. Rules are meant ot be broken in one way or the other

Anyway.. for the bike thing... dont care what the reason he should have been FINED.. not put in jail for 3 years..

Regarding drunk driving -_- well what can i say... if i was in the familys shous.. ive done the same thing =)

I mean The person cant bring back the dead.. puting him in jail wont solve family problems.. funeral arangements that kind of thing... They made a right choice and they got a HEFTY HEFTY penny..... So smart people now they are covered for the funeral, arangements and have 99% of the repeation money left to rot in their bank accounts... Still a loss on their side but now they dont need to worry about finances =)

Putting him in jail for the term that an average person without money would get would ensure he wouldn't go out and do it again. Browns suck anyways, Go Vikings!

Black Metal · Jun 25, 2009, 08:15 PM // 20:15

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Originally Posted by kostolomac

I'm aware of that. But the people that are the jurry are easily exploitable. The idea behind this system is very noble and good, but it's based on the assumption that every American is a honest, law and justice loving citizen that doesn't have any racist, political or other prejustices towards other citizens and that he/she will do his/her job the best they can.

that's great and all, but in Stallworth's case, he was found guilty. So the 'jurry' handed back a guilty verdict. They don't determine sentencing, nor what he is charged with. I don't understand why you are hung up on the one aspect of this case which worked correctly.

And if you are wondering why I keep saying 'jurry', check your spelling.

Ghost Omel · Jun 25, 2009, 08:27 PM // 20:27

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Originally Posted by Roy Frogger

The problem with this logic is this...The person is dead.
SO logically you would want that person to not have life too.
We can't (unfortunatly) just kill them.
So we put them in a cage so they can live the hell rather than dying.

In many cases Jail can be worse, although not really anymore...they get freaking television and weights...they should all be thrown in boxes to rot imo.

EDIT: rules are not meant to be broken... That doesn't even make sense, if the rules are bad you CHANGE them, don't beak them unless you have a good reason (ie: American Revolution)

i was being sarcastic with rules thing i should have written it

Conservative much?

Throwing them to rot? what good will it do to society when you throw a DRUNK DRIVER INTO A JAIL TO ROT.. you do realize what you just said right?...No you diodnt specify if its a serial killer, A Terrorist, A MAn killing his wife... NO you want an accident to cause a man to rot in jail?... He payed the price.. FAMILY agreed to take the money... The life of the man was worth those money..... end of story... If any 1 should ne judged is a family.. as i said before.. they made a right choice for the situation.. eccidents happen even if it was drunk driver......He got his punishment he lost probably more then a million dollars, 30 days in jail and a mark on his record + suspension from games....you want him to rot some more?....... Especialy now that media know its even more worse then jail.......

Killers-Rot in Jail
Terrorists-Rot In jail
Sycopaths- Rot in an Assylum
Juveniles- Rot in correctional facilities
Drunk drivers-Fine... and small imprisonment if neccesary oh and DE-TOX much better option then yours..

Ok OK no personal attaks just stating that you are way to harsh. Any accidents simular happened to you?

kostolomac · Jun 25, 2009, 08:51 PM // 20:51

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Originally Posted by Black Metal

And if you are wondering why I keep saying 'jurry', check your spelling.

My spellcheck for mozilla isn't working even though it's turned on. Thank you for the correction.

Roy_ · Jun 25, 2009, 09:20 PM // 21:20

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Originally Posted by Ghost Omel

i was being sarcastic with rules thing i should have written it

Conservative much?

Throwing them to rot? what good will it do to society when you throw a DRUNK DRIVER INTO A JAIL TO ROT.. you do realize what you just said right?...No you diodnt specify if its a serial killer, A Terrorist, A MAn killing his wife... NO you want an accident to cause a man to rot in jail?... He payed the price.. FAMILY agreed to take the money... The life of the man was worth those money..... end of story... If any 1 should ne judged is a family.. as i said before.. they made a right choice for the situation.. eccidents happen even if it was drunk driver......He got his punishment he lost probably more then a million dollars, 30 days in jail and a mark on his record + suspension from games....you want him to rot some more?....... Especialy now that media know its even more worse then jail.......

Killers-Rot in Jail
Terrorists-Rot In jail
Sycopaths- Rot in an Assylum
Juveniles- Rot in correctional facilities
Drunk drivers-Fine... and small imprisonment if neccesary oh and DE-TOX much better option then yours..

Ok OK no personal attaks just stating that you are way to harsh. Any accidents simular happened to you?

Yes something similar did, except my uncle was the driver.
He killed the man he hit, I wanted him too be punished, but none cared for the man he hit. He got let off easy because the man was a hobo with no family they could find.

HE broke the law,
HE killed someone,
yet HE only got 6 months...

People who break the law and kill someone need to be shown hell, and if that hell is prison so be it.
rotting can show you how wrong you were, imagine it as a purgatory.

DreamRunner · Jun 26, 2009, 04:58 PM // 16:58

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Originally Posted by Roy Frogger

In many cases Jail can be worse, although not really anymore...they get freaking television and weights...they should all be thrown in boxes to rot imo.

You need to expand your horizons more on people. It is actually jail has been known to create people that makes them worse criminals than they originally were before being sentenced to jail. But also lets not forget that going to jail doesn't mean you are a bad person, it is just seen by society as an oversimplification of doing crime and deviance means you are a 'bad' person.

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Originally Posted by Roy Frogger

People who break the law and kill someone need to be shown hell, and if that hell is prison so be it.
rotting can show you how wrong you were, imagine it as a purgatory.

How simple. You know, going to jail doesn't show you how wrong you were, it just makes you a part of a different demographic in society. The law isn't as black and white as many people make it out to be, or even situations arise were the law HAS to change. This is because the criminal Justice system can at times actually oppress individuals and you might think that oppression is a thing of the past, but it really isn't.

Ghost Omel · Jun 26, 2009, 05:14 PM // 17:14

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Originally Posted by Roy Frogger

Yes something similar did, except my uncle was the driver.
He killed the man he hit, I wanted him too be punished, but none cared for the man he hit. He got let off easy because the man was a hobo with no family they could find.

HE broke the law,
HE killed someone,
yet HE only got 6 months...

People who break the law and kill someone need to be shown hell, and if that hell is prison so be it.
rotting can show you how wrong you were, imagine it as a purgatory.

I Expected a different story.

I gues were i come from jail is really as you put it "HELL"

As stated before weights, Tvs,. internet accses for work is provided for in-mates in US prisons in Ukranina/Russian/Soviet prisons is really "HELL" You are a rat rotting in a cell with a public shitter and 20 celmates instead of 3. I Gues i still see prison in European views.

In Any case.. As stated above.. criminals just get worse in jail not better....they get buffer, they hold the grudge,they make FRIENDS and ACOMPLISES in jails.... its HUB for all the criminal scum all in one place.. with gangs,, cell-made weapons,, death.......One thing to put any 1 in prison and expect them to change... its another put him in there wiht a friend -_- or like minded people.... Simple as i said before.. intended murder- deserves a LIFE-TIME inprisonment or execution--- as long as the person is sure to be guilty... Accidents regarding for what ever reason.. Be it a car crash, a sligh accidental push on the train rails while train is coming,or other it should be fined, restrained put through therapy(For drunks, drug addicts etc).....

Or lets folow the Hammurabi law as stated before.. that way we should cut down ourselves in matter of half a century.....

Roy_ · Jun 26, 2009, 05:30 PM // 17:30

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Originally Posted by Ghost Omel

*snip*

Or lets folow the Hammurabi law as stated before.. that way we should cut down ourselves in matter of half a century.....

Thats all we really need. To me you have a weak form of justice, to you I have too strong of one. Nothing is going to change that, I would love for you too see the world through my eyes, and I would love to see it through yours. Sadly the odds of this ever happening are very slim seeing as we don't know eachother but who knows?

Ghost Omel · Jun 26, 2009, 05:35 PM // 17:35

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Originally Posted by Roy Frogger

Thats all we really need. To me you have a weak form of justice, to you I have too strong of one. Nothing is going to change that, I would love for you too see the world through my eyes, and I would love to see it through yours. Sadly the odds of this ever happening are very slim seeing as we don't know eachother but who knows?

Agreed.. when WW3 breaks lets hope that there is a medium between us deciding which city to Nuke first. Hope its not NY or my Home City Kiev...

Roy_ · Jun 26, 2009, 05:37 PM // 17:37

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Originally Posted by Ghost Omel

Agreed.. when WW3 breaks lets hope that there is a medium between us deciding which city to Nuke first. Hope its not NY or my Home City Kiev...

Trenton dies first :/

fishy go moo · Jun 27, 2009, 06:06 PM // 18:06

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Originally Posted by xDusT II

Person 1 had money.
Person 2 didn't.

That pretty much summarizes up every court case.

Dante the Warlord · Jun 27, 2009, 10:37 PM // 22:37

A police report says he bought Armstrong's $10,000 bike from Crider for $200. He later turned it in to police.

^^ that pretty much states the stupidity of the guy, who went to all lengths to steal an important bike, only to sell it for a mere fraction of what its worth.

The American legal system is hardly fair since there are major flaws and gaps that people take to get around them. My brother was stolen from last year (around 1k+ taken). He reported the crime and got the guy in jail, but because its a recession and he lost his job that guy doesn't have to pay until he gets back on his feet. On top of that before he was allowed to pay merely $50 a month until the $1000+ was back. That means that the guy would be paying barely anything, making it basically a VERY VERY nice loan and even better now that he doesn't have a job.

Im assuming he probably got a job paying underhand with family to escape paying the money. Absolutely unfair and inexcusable.

subarucar · Jun 27, 2009, 11:19 PM // 23:19

I bet i wouldnt get 3 years in jail for stealing a bike. Say that $10,000 bike was owned by some no-name, would the theif get 3 years in jail? I doubt it.

haggus71 · Jun 30, 2009, 01:28 AM // 01:28

Re bike theft: If you steal the bike of the BIGGEST CYCLIST IN THE WORLD, you deserve three years for stupidity alone.

Re jail: Whatever genius says how easy prison is...Really? REALLY? Ever been? I'm sure anal rape is living in the lap of luxury. Living your life with everything you own in a cage that is 6 by 8 feet...with another man...must be very pleasant. Knowing you have a scar on your record for the rest of your life...never mind that in most states, with a felony record you can't vote or own a gun...pure paradise. The fact that most convicts learn to be better criminals in prison...beautiful concept. I won't even get into the incredible ratios of minorities in prison compared to whites, or poor-to-rich.

Oh, and the death penalty really works, too. Oh wait, we have the highest murder rate of any industrialized nation, and share the death penalty with such moral stalwarts as China and Iran.

Please shut up talking about how easy life is in prison. Maybe a minimum security prison would be cake, but guess what? for murder or manslaughter, you don't get sent there. You get sent to, in the immortal words of Nanadinejad(Office Space), "RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO you in the ass prison."

Shursh · Jun 30, 2009, 01:17 PM // 13:17

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Originally Posted by haggus71

Oh, and the death penalty really works, too. Oh wait, we have the highest murder rate of any industrialized nation, and share the death penalty with such moral stalwarts as China and Iran.

False.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...by_murder_rate

there are many countries with a higher murder rate than the US. in fact, just a few years ago the country with the highest murder rate (per capita) was....[drum roll]...THE VATICAN.

Also, i'd like to point out that China's and Iran's murder rate is less than half that of the US, so before you make claims about the death penalty's effectiveness, check out some of the other "moral stalwarts" on that list.

Helix Dreadlock · Jul 01, 2009, 03:53 AM // 03:53

Sometimes I feel the jury is

Kid:"he hit me! MOOOOOM!"

Mom:"yea, whatever......*gives some crazy punishment*